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« Reply #150 on: July 29, 2020, 04:06:20 pm »
Something is going on behind the scenes! I wonder WHY Marge wanted Jokke and family out of the country.
So odd. Timing very bad with the Corona, so they have had a hard time.

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« Reply #151 on: July 29, 2020, 04:13:08 pm »
maybe to give him the chance to carve something out for himself?

she (and the dame?) tried to do that with the farm... but he gave it up.

once fred is king, there will be little space left for jokke and his family except for, i guess, minor appearances. understandably so as fred has four kids.

that said, it's all speculation on my end.
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« Reply #152 on: July 29, 2020, 06:16:36 pm »
"The move to Paris wasn't their choice"...maybe the queen decided Joachim needed some kind of job, rather than just doing public appearances from time to time.  This situation, with comments from Joachim and Marie and press releases from the palace, is starting to resemble the run-up to Harry and Meghan's move to Canada/California.
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« Reply #153 on: July 30, 2020, 05:57:53 am »
Yes, you cannot help comparing the two, the spares who become non-essential.
What puzzles me is that Marge has such power over her kids. She decides that they can only marry foreigners - so they did just that. Decided that Jokke should become a farmer, and he did just that. She apparently decided that he and his family move to France - and they did.
It is so strange!

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« Reply #154 on: July 30, 2020, 06:51:43 am »
Wow, how quickly life can change literally one second to the next, I hope Jokke recovers fully.

And thanks for the interview. Do you really think they were forced to leave the country  ??? How cruel would that be. Well at least they have a beautiful place to stay, but still, I don't really get it...

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« Reply #155 on: July 30, 2020, 12:56:37 pm »
Yes, you cannot help comparing the two, the spares who become non-essential.
What puzzles me is that Marge has such power over her kids. She decides that they can only marry foreigners - so they did just that. Decided that Jokke should become a farmer, and he did just that. She apparently decided that he and his family move to France - and they did.
It is so strange!

i guess the DRF is not a democracy and while marge is their mother she is also the commander in chief.

they, marie actually, sounds a tad bitter. of course, if they are "forced" out of the country i can imagine it being difficult to accept. on the other hand, nobody can force them to do something they do not want. they could quit, which is, i guess, not really an option because there are serious perks attached to that. i would definitely think twice before i gave them up.


 

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« Reply #156 on: July 30, 2020, 01:44:40 pm »
I am wondering if Joachim and Marie behaved as if they were still in Schackenborg without any neighbours when they moved to their house close to Copenhagen.
They have had some very loud and late parties. On one occasion three different neighbours called the police on them for the "insane noise".

Maybe such things have participated in them being "exiled". Who knows, but you can imagine it is a big embarrassment to Marge to have the police called on her son. Besides, what can the police do - Joachim is above the law!

These days, whenever Marie has a chance, she airs her anger and bitterness. She defends her husband and thinks he is unfairly treated.
I wish I knew what is up and what is down in this matter.
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« Reply #157 on: July 30, 2020, 02:07:49 pm »
jokke has benefited from his position. he received schackenborg. he got money for his wedding from the state and the citizens. he claimed not to be able to make ends meet with the (not so small) "farm" yet it appears that he made money out of it by selling the building all the while retaining the right to be there. he also "outsourced" alex' palimony to the taxpayers. he has behaved in an entitled way and been rude to journalists when they asked some pointed questions. of course journalists can be annoying and at times unfair but he really doesn't help it either.

from the article i felt that this was the first time that jokke was expected to show up at work everyday and not just for a few hours.

to be fair to him, it doesn't sound like he is the one complaining but rather his wife. it sounds like marie too had to work a little more and had to deal with two kids during the lockdown, which was a tough one for many parents.

i can understand that they get annoyed with the apanage question but it's a fair question in this day and age. seriously. i do not like marie's attitude towards it (though i understand that she defends her husband) and i certainly don't like jokke's view that the press should not write about it. really? 

 
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« Reply #158 on: July 30, 2020, 03:14:15 pm »
I think Marie does a lot of harm by leaking little tid-bits of what is going on behind the curtains.
She thinks she is defending her husband, but she opens up to speculation.
Now we need the whole story.

It is clear that there was one person who defended Jokke. That was his father, Henrik. Now he is gone, so Jokke has no one to take his back.
It seems that Marge isnīt too thrilled about her youngest.

Apanage out of the country - it is a bit tricky if they move to France permanently.
How about Bene? She receives some, but it is far less. She does some work here in Denmark. so it is fair.
Corona crisis and Jokkeīs exams have stopped them working with their patronages - and now his illness

Work-wise, Marie should not be whining. they are very privileged compared to most other people!

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« Reply #159 on: July 31, 2020, 02:43:19 am »
Thank you for the very good thoughts. It leads to so many questions and speculations. But maybe many people just don't care so it goes on and on? Do people in Denmark talk a lot about the DRF and these things?

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« Reply #160 on: July 31, 2020, 03:59:26 am »
i am not danish and do not live in denmark so not entirely sure.

however it seems to me that jokke has been under the spotlight and criticism re. his attitude, his apanage, for pollution issues with his agricultural activities, and for the "sale" of schackenborg which made him even wealthier (i have no doubt that he could live without his apanage). i am not sure he was under fire for deferring his first wife's allowance to the taxpayers instead of paying for it himself.

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« Reply #161 on: July 31, 2020, 02:22:29 pm »
Oh, many Danes are livid about the large payments for Alexandra.

As far as I am informed, Joachim is actually wealthier than Fred, so I too think he could easily live without the apanage.
I donīt understand the "sale" of Schackenborg - which isnīt really a sale. In any case, Jokke got millions out of it with the help of wealthy Danes. Something strange about the whole thing. He claimed he owed a lot of money because the farm had a negative balance - and then suddenly he gets 42 millions - and can still use the castle.
The sum of all those things (which you listed) make the Danes rather skeptical about Jokke.
That said, he got a lot of support and well wishes now after he got the stroke.
I too wish him well and feel for him and his family. Not easy for any of them.

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« Reply #162 on: July 31, 2020, 04:39:43 pm »
Thank you for the very good thoughts. It leads to so many questions and speculations. But maybe many people just don't care so it goes on and on? Do people in Denmark talk a lot about the DRF and these things?

Yes, there is some talk about especially Joachim. Mostly negative.
Maybe it is not all fair. But he hasnīt really tried to soften his image towards the Danes. He has come off as very arrogant and entitled.
To me the worst example of that is that he had (has?) his own cigarette packs made.
His own design with a big "J" on it. He had or has about 50.000 cigarettes packed like that per year.
The cigarette is the most smoked brand and kind in Denmark: the PRINCE cigarettes - of course, Jokke just had them specially packed! OMG hahaha - and we are paying for that madness!

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« Reply #163 on: August 03, 2020, 02:37:13 am »
Thanks for the information and opinion! The cigarettes packages - unbelievable  :o Talking about being a role model and stuff...
Even if they are critized, they just get away with it in the end. They probably built up an 'I don't care'-attitude at some (early) point.
They don't have to be perfect, nobody is, but you see this on so many people who have money or some status. I find this disgusting.
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« Reply #164 on: August 03, 2020, 11:09:40 am »
It is getting clearer and clearer that men have a really hard time being no.2 - or 3 or further down.
Harry, Jokke, Henrik - who else?